just a comment from a reader.......
kamal barsha said...
when Anwarista's like zorro start demanding that we free terrorists, we know that this country is headed to the dumpsite if AI comes into power.
Have you guys lost your marbles?
do we have to wait for the twin towers to be blown down ala 911 for you to wake up?
listen to yourselves? free JI? are u crazy? we forgot the weapons seige the pulled from our military camps? u forgot the terrorist training ground the ran in the jungle? or their plans to blow up places where islam is threatened - niteclubs, beer refineraies etc..
what next? freedom for racists to hold seminars ala KKK?
have u guys so much hate for BN that caused your rationale to go all bonkers?
this is crazy. Bn may have many shortfalls, but its sad to see u all just hammering them for everything not right in this world..
terrorism is real..remember 911, bali,
do u want a big headline with 100 dead before u wake up?
idiots!
have you no idea what Mansuhkan ISA means?
ReplyDeletewe think that the act of putting people in jail with them not having ACCESS TO JUSTICE is wrong.
terrorists should come to judgement too. because you see if they ever took over the country, would you not want access to YOUR lawyer if they put you in Kamunting? an extreme example for one who seems to need one.
you see, dear.. we're trying to have some form of dignity in this country. a standard we're all proud of.
it takes men and women with principles to run the justice system in this country. if we put everyone in the bin at some clown's behest, we run the risk of becoming like Malaysia.
oh wait.
we are malaysia.
Simple, if those guys are indeed terrorists, then why doesn't the government charge and prove it in the courts instead of wasting 7 years of their life?? If they are indeed found to be guilty, then give them the maximum punishment available.
ReplyDeleteWhat's the point of having courts and judiciary system if we are not planning to charge criminals and prove their crime? Might as well abolish them courts and judges right, at least we can save on wages. Yes Kamal Barsha, lets stick with ISA, but abolish the rest of our judiciary system.
ISA: One law to rule 'em all.
Dear Kamal Barsha, we are asking to abolish ISA, not free the terrorists.
Why waste time with pea-brained arguments.
ReplyDeleteIf you have the proof, charge them in court. That's what our Constitution says.
ReplyDeleteThe ISA is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL law because no probable cause is required and the Minister is given abolute power over individuals which can and does lead to untrammelled abuse. The fact that Parliament passed it does not make the ISA legal.
If you have NO proof, then you MUST release them (they should not have been arrested in the 1st place) and then make sure you have a Class-A surveillance team to watch over them until you get the proof.
That's how a JUST system civilized country should work.
http://donplaypuks.blogspot.com
We all know that a guilty person can be found not guilty on grounds of technicality. then what?
ReplyDeletej.d,
ReplyDeletepick the points you dont agree with and present your facts for argument instead of a below the belt jab.. makes YOU look pea brained.
Dear Kamal Bashar,
ReplyDeleteHere's what the strugle is all about:
English: Abolish ISA and let the detainees have their day in court for their alleged crimes.
B.Malaysa: Mansuhkan ISA dan hadapkan mereka ke Mahkamah untuk dibicarakan.
No one is fighting for them to be declared innocent and to be released home. Alleged criminals are still innocent until proven guilty. If one has created some form of crime, then he should be detained and charged in the court of law and punished accordingly if found guilty. we are only asking for the government to abolish the ISA and let all these detainess have their day in court. Wanna join us?
cheers
dude i think u got your facts wrong.
ReplyDeleteget it right what's mansuhkan ISA all about.
Peace~
Basically, ISA violates fundamental human rights.
ReplyDeletePeriod.
Like what Teresa suggested to Syed to try 'solitary confinement' himself.
Kamal should try too. Just stay in his house, unwire everything that gives access to the outside world e.g. TV, Internet for 2 years. Can ah? I think Kamal should have no problem with that. ;)
what if your love one is held under the ISA for crime he did not commit. Say wrong place at wrong time. did you not want to bring him / her to court to prove him / her innocence and free him /her??? or let your love ones rot in jail because ISA is good. what will you do?? Im sure every detainees have love ones?? If they are guilty, there are laws to punish them..
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Kamal Barsha,
ReplyDeleteI had to BE pea-brained to get my point across to another pea-brained. How else?!
And it has to be 'below the belt' otherwise it might be too lethal a blow for you.
I have seen and read better stuff....
Off topic but still relevant,
ReplyDeleteCame across an interesting comment to an article from Lazarus, the comment from this character NAL WAS A eyeopener to the antics of indoctrination of BTN, go and read for yourself how full of it this guy is, but there was a rejoinder which will shut him up though, even if I say so my self it was preety good.
There is a very interesting answer to a 'kaki angkat telur' NAL from umno for his comments. It would be interesting to hear our comments.
http://darkjustice-lazarus.blogspot.com/2008/09/malaysiakini-umno-has-abused-islam-for.html
Dear Kamal, what if he is NOT guity? What if he is innocent and we don't give him a chance to state his case and defend himself? We would have condemned an innocent to a life in prison just on a suspicion.
ReplyDeleteuncle zorro.. that moron is the EPITOME of the sort of terrorists we have roaming the streets..
ReplyDeletethe sort of dumb c*nt, Taliban Uni reject who makes molotov cocktails from PLASTIC..
too stupid for their own good..
like good old RPK used to describe them, Bodoh Sombong..
Peace and good nite malaysia
we are only asking for the government to abolish the ISA and let all these detainess have their day in court. Wanna join us?
ReplyDelete... Yeah come from the wrong side to the RIGHT side !
Peace be with RPK and ALL ISA detainees .. do we need one of loved ones to be detained under ISA before we wake up ?
stupid brainless same kind of creatures .. dont understand what's happening really this "ba.s...d" .. fair and clean country that's what we want ..
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said…
ReplyDeleteLeave BN, all Component Parties with a conscience must leave the Evil Master Oppressor UMNO for good ok???
Come October 2008 there is nothing left but the Opposition Leader’s Post to Hand Over from Flip Flop to C4 ok???
There should be no peace for Botak if the ISA detainees are not released and the oppressive draconian law is not abolished because such injustices are not tolerated and thus create great discontentment in this modern society. One day Botak and his cohorts should be made to eat their own medicine for the injustices they have committed against the detainees especially RPK
We call upon all the Rakyats of Malaysia to sign a Petition to be sent to the Yang Di-Pertuan Agong to release RPK from his detention under ISA because there is a hidden agenda of a conspiracy of using his detention to silence him so that he could not further release more evidences against the real C4 murderers of Altantuya because all the accused were all fall guys of the real murderers because they all did not have a real & logical motive to murder the Mongolian Lady.
THE NEW DAWN OF MALAYSIA HAS COME & THE FIRST THING IS TO ALLOW APPEALS & THEN RELEASE ALL ISA DETAINEES, ABOLISH ISA, OSA, SEDITION OR WHATEVER ACTS THAT COULD BE EXPLOITED AND MADE PREJUDICIAL AND OPPRESSIVE TO THE VOICE OF DISSENT FROM ALL THE RAKYATS.
It is very easy to generate Police Reports against DSAI by using Penang Mamak Umno’s 25 Members headed by Wan Abidin Zain, who claimed to be non-partisan, using their uneasiness that most Penangites will now be boycotting Nasi Kandar one more round???
It is very Sad that the legacy of Malaysian Independence is reduced by this Moronic Flip Flop Coward into great disrepute and a laughing stock of the whole world and knowing very well that the UMNO Government has technically collapsed and they have lost locus standi to govern but yet he has decided to shamelessly still cling on to power via dubious means like hiding himself via using of the ISA and we cannot imagine that the Malaysia Moronic Flip Flop Coward has now stoop so low and using the Police Deputy IGP as his willing tools especially the Deputy IGP’s clearly taking side as the Police must be neutral and should be not politiking for him.
The Coward Moronic Flip Flop Chicken dare not meet DSAI face to face to settle matters but chose hiding under the use of ISA and that is what you have as a disgraceful cowardice leader for UMNO.
After 51 years MALAYSIA IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE but backwards because of the Oppression from the UMNO goons’ divide and rule fear tactics the Rakyats have matured & you must see all this coming because All The Rakyats of Malaysia are all fed-up & can no longer with-stand the hypocrisies, bullshits, lies and deceits of these UMNO Clowns now in Power ok??? What Oil Subsidies IS nothing but a hoax that the UMNO Government MAKE BELIEF THAT THERE IS AN OIL PRICE SUBSIDY TO THE PRICE OF FUEL BUT IN FACT THERE WERE NONE THIS IS BECAUSE MALAYSIA IS THE NET EXPORTER OF OIL THAT IS ONLY AFTER DEDUCTING DOMESTIC CONSUMPTION THE BALANCE IS EXPORTED TO EARN FOREIGN EXCHANGE. THESE LIARS MAKE US BELIEVE BY CONTINUOUS PROPAGANDA THAT THERE ARE OIL PRICE SUBSIDY BUT IN FACT THERE WERE NONE BECAUSE THE PRICE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ACTUAL SALE LOCALLY AND THE PRICE THEY INTENDED TO SELL ABOARD IS AN OPPORTUNITY COST NOT PRICE SUBSIDY.
We urge all BN Components & MPs with a conscience to do the necessary to make possible a New Malaysia for all Rakyats of Malaysia so that all our children and their children & their children’s children’s future will be safe and secured in the Country we all love and not be intimidated by those UMNO Clowns now in power with their oppressive & fear tactics and in the verge of making Malaysia a Police State if left unchecked otherwise. Save RPK as he is the midst of a conspiracy of the real murderers of Altantuya to silence him for good, instead of being C4ed he could be poisoned and worse off if he is on hunger strike by himself. The Acting IGP is defending the Police position after being made the tools of UMNO’s fear tactics & so he is now making lame excuses for being the Stringed Puppet to be easily manipulated by the Puppeteer, power that be. The Deputy IGP must be held personally responsible for the safety of RPK who has been heard to be tortured otherwise he must be made to eat his own medicine come the New Dawn of Malaysia.
Moronic PeeM and Botak Home Minister last minutes’ attempts to cling on power by using the fear tactics of using the ISA at their whims and fancies selectively against dissent & tried to deny their own actions as they now have no balls to face the wrath of the all the Rakyats of Malaysia. ONE DAY THE MORONIC BOTAK AND FLIP FLOP AND C4 MUST BE MADE TO TASTE THEIR OWN MEDICINE OK?
All Rakyats of Malaysia will see to that these Clowns will be thrown out soon come the New Dawn of Malaysia & that all Rakyats of Malaysia will welcome the New Malaysia on Malaysia Day 916, 2008 for a Malaysia for All Malaysians.
Justice MUST BE DONE for Altantuya and for all those detained under ISA without the trial nor the rights of appeal. Light-up a Candle in the Lantern of the Mid-Autumn Festival for them all to usher in the NEW DAWN OF MALAYSIA COME 916, 2008
Kamal Bashar,
ReplyDeleteI am sure most Malaysians have not forgotten those dangerous avtivities of the JI members esp the merciless killing of those two brave policemen who were tortured to death.
In a democratic country like Malaysia as claimed by our govt,the ideal thing to do is to try these elements in an open court and mete out the maximum punishment according to the law.Thats why we have courts,lawyers and judges.
ISA has no place in a civilized society as this is a draconian and a merciless law being used by those who walk the coridors of power to quell dissent and to inflict pain and sufferings on them and their families too.
You argued that those JI elements could be freed on technical grounds.Well ,I believe that is not possible as their act of terrorism has been well documented and there are also sufficient evidences to be adduced as well as enough witnesses who would be willing to take the witness stand.Lets say you are right,then the PDRM should mobilize their intelligence unit to keep tab on their activities,isn't it their duty to do so?
Remember this,one may allow 100 criminals to go scot free on whatever ground,but it is a big sin to even detain one person without proper trial and be allowed the right to defend him/herself.This is exactly what we as right minded Malaysians are trying say to the govt.and repeal this merciless flinstone law.
I believe if you had taken a few minutes to ponder before jumping the gun you could have deciphered this simple message from thousands or should I say millions of right minded Malaysians and you could have avoided branding us as IDIOTS.
Remember,as much as you loathe the word pea-brained directed at you so do all of us.
Cheers!!!
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I think the guy who wrote this absurd article must have just come out from a cave or more likely a tempirong. Bloody stupid and ignorant.
ReplyDeletekamal basha;
ReplyDeleteSpeak less, no one will call you a fool.Try understanding an issue first, before you ooze out with your rubbish comments.
When someone speak about terrorism just because many of us calling for the release of ISA detainees, we then need to get them to basic principles.
ReplyDeleteGive them a chance to defend themselves in a open court. There is no such thing as denying basic human rights in the 21st century. It's also surprising to note we still have some peculiar people who say the rabbit they hold has only 3legs.
hey Kamal, there is no point to pick here boy. Which part of the "mansuhkan" don't you understand dude ? The key words are "court " "proof" and "charge"... Comprendo ? YOU seem to be the problem boy ! Sheeesh man where have you been ?
ReplyDeleteWhat a lulu, this guy didn't even know what we are fighting about and somemore talk so loud.
ReplyDeletekamal baesha said...
ReplyDeleteWe all know that a guilty person can be found not guilty on grounds of technicality. then what?
Then blame yourself for own incompetence and not try short-cut and cheap way like ISA. We call it "Lazy".
Well, from my point view ISA is more or less like the American Guatanamo Bay detention camp. The reason why the govt revoke to ISA is because they can't trust our judicial system...?? Can't trust the liars ops.. sorry I mean lawyers to prosecute those fler and can't trust the Police in providing evidence.
ReplyDeleteLook at the Mongolian murder case. Even the police witness & investigation officers having contradicting statement. How can you explain that?
To me we keep ISA but specified under what condition it can be used. And please ah.. don't use it on bolggers or reporters la unless of course they carry guns or any destructive weapon. What say u zorro??
Dear Kamal Barsha.
ReplyDeleteYou have to realise that you are a victim of BN's brainwashing. U seem to have forgotten that we have a whole plethora of statutes we can use to deal with terrorists. We don't need the ISA. BN has fed you only half the picture. So next time you hear something vomited out by BN, use the brains God gave you before spewing out the same garbage.
talking about ISA being non-democratic, remember the Patriot Act?
ReplyDeletehow does the most democratic country in the world justify it?
maybe we do need our version of 911 before eyes are open.
ISA is not just for detention, it is also for rehabilitaion , and also to allow the authorities to gain access to detainees for investigations and information needed to keep the country safe.
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ReplyDeletehttp://english.pravda.ru/news/world/26-09-2008/106473-zimbabwe-0
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ReplyDeleteThis is what simplistic minds don't see the bigger picture. it's a result of too much of fear mongering propaganda.it's injustice that breeds revenge and vengeance. why don't he get arrested under ISA n feel what it is like to have freedom for basic justice taken away from him. peleaseeeeh don't think we are stupid not to know how to handle security. this is moronic thinking at best n don't equate your childish georgy-bush-type of justification to abuse human rights.
see www.jonathan66-my.blogspot.com do i deserve the isa?
Come on guys!
ReplyDeleteLet's give this kamal fella a break
Since Kamal said that it's necessary to have ISA otherwise, you would have plenty of terrorists roaming along the streets of Malaysia freely based on the ground that they (I meant the terrorists) kenna released on technicalities
Wah, that's the case. By using that Kamal fella's argument, perhaps, we should put poeple like Ahmad Ismail under ISA too. He seems to get away based on "technicalities". Hey, what about Tajol fella. So many complains about him on the alleged ahem.....Or the most famous or infamous and "powderful" politician in Malaysia.....Got to be extremely careful especially since ISA is still in action.
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Kamal,
ReplyDeleteWe also know that an innocent person can be found guilty on grounds of authority. Then what?
Think out of the box always, dude.
Blogreader
Well, maybe we need to probe the people behind the ISA. They are clearly misused ISA for some reasons.
ReplyDeleteSo, instead of blaming it on the system, blame it on the people hiding behind it.
Maybe we'll find the answer there.
Stupid idiot Kamal Barsha...ISA is unIslamic..you goon! It's jungle law..you moron! If you think a person commits a crime and you have enough evident against him, then charge him in an open court. Are you that stupid to realize this thing..you fool! You just have a brain of a poison toad!!
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You quote: "when Anwarista's like zorro start demanding that we free terrorists, we know that this country is headed to the dumpsite if AI comes into power."
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1. There is a huge difference between genuine terrorists, and "political terrorists". Is RPK a genuine terrorists like 911 and Bali bombing? Is HINDRAF 5 the same?
2. "we know that this country is headed to the dumpsite if AI comes into power" -- well, I disagree - if AI doesn't come into power, Malaysia will REMAIN a dumpsite.
I do not object any laws that are good for our national security, be it ISA, OSA, AUKU or any other laws. But I am against injustice and abuse of power. There is nothing wrong to detain a person for two years. Go ahead, incarcerate him. But it must be done in a fair and just trial. Detention,rehab or any information extracting measures are all considered sentences. And it should be passed accordingly by a court of law.
ReplyDeleteBut ISA lacks all this avenue. You can be detained indefinitely by the authority of 1 person.How would you know that this person didn't do it out of his personal interest? And since it is a one man decision, it is subject to abuse in every possible ways.
ISA and the Emergency Ordinance was passed to thwart the Communist insurgent. It was at that time,viewed as necessary. But bear in mind that in that time there was an ongoing war between capitalism and communism. In western bloc, communism is painted as a threat and vice versa. Out of fear, people suspected of being a communist or capitalist in both worlds have been incarcerated,shot,hanged,tortured and humiliated. All of this is in the name of National Security. But in reality, it is done to protect the lifestyle and the government itself, and to be specific, to protect those who are in office.
National security must take into account the security of the majority of us, not just a few bloke.And it must be done in a fair and just way. We can do away with the ISA and EO. There are no more commies here my friend. Just you being afraid of the dark...
OneEast
KAMAL BARSHA = AZALINA'S CYBERGOON ?
ReplyDeleteUMNO is in dire need of new talent.
Kamal Basha said ...
ReplyDeletetalking about ISA being non-democratic, remember the Patriot Act?
how does the most democratic country in the world justify it?
I do not attempt to justify this but there is at least one significant difference between the US Patriot Act and Malaysia's ISA and that is the US Patriot Act has a finite existence wheareas the Malaysian ISA is evergreen.
Patriot Act was originally due to expire Dec 2005 but has been voted on to extend most of its provisions to end in Dec 2009.
Just from reading the comments here, it is clear that everyone understands what we are asking for - except this poor dude! I wonder how he'd feel if he was thrown in jail under the ISA and has no recourse to anything - lawyer, family, justice.
ReplyDeleteIf these guys are really the terrorists he's so afraid of, it should be no problem dealing with that in court. Why do we need to use the ISA if we have the evidence against them?
Generally, most laws are good laws until abused. This law is the one exception to this rule.
Pat
TNS says....
ReplyDeleteSo much has already been said about Kamal's comments. I can only say one thing...I'm speechless!!
A guilty person can be found innocent in any court. So if that is the justification to incriminate someone without trial purportedly to have committed a terrorist act, how do you deal with an innocent person being found guilty? More so, not in the Court but by a single person bestowed with that power to send someone to Kamunting?
Come on, Kamal please think. Use your head, wilya?
Dear Kamal, what makes you so sure that those "terrorists" under ISA arrests are indeed terrorists? Has it been proven?
ReplyDeleteIf the gomen is so sure that they are terrorists enough to lock them up for so many years, why not just proceed with charging them in the court and confirm their status and judgement?
Why should certain individual in the gomen be allowed to play god and judge ?
What if you Kamal is the one arrested and jailed under ISA without a trial and being accused of threatening the security of the country and have to spend 2 years in jail? You may be innocent but who cares? Won't you be crying for justice? Won't you want to be able to claim trial?
ISA forfeits your rights absolutely. Sigh....I wonder why I am bothering to educate you Kamal.
Kamal,
ReplyDeleteSo tell me... which of these people should be put in Kamunting under ISA?
Raja Petra?
Teresa Kok?
Tan Hoon Cheng?
Ahmad Ismail?
Najib Razak?
Hishammudin?
Mahathir?
Khir Toyo?
Syed Hamid Albar?
Anwar Ibrahim?
Musa Hassan?
Mukhriz?
Khairy Jamalludin?
Hindraf 5?
Editor of Utusan Malaysia?
Kickdefella?
Susan Loone?
Din Merican?
Haris Salleh?
Anil Netto?
Bernard Khoo?
Kamal Barsha?
Pak Lah?
Zaid Ibrahim?
Saiful Bukhari?
Karpal Singh?
Anwar Ibrahim?
Ibrahim Ali?
Nik Aziz?
Bung Mokhtar?
Muhyiddin?
Nazri Aziz?
Me?
The list goes on and on and on...but just give me one name and justify it if you please.
My answer is none of them deserve to be charged in ISA, although many of those on the list are troublemakers, crooks and murderers....and we know who they are don't we? Let them have their day in court. Justice will be served... if not now, then in the afterlife.
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welcome back uncle B. people like this fella needs to do more than talking cock to derail you from carrying on with the just cause you have consistently fought for.
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